20Committee | The Parisian daily Le Figaro has run an interesting interview
about the situation in Ukraine with retired General Ihor Smeshko, who
is well positioned to understand the realities at play. Once a Soviet
Army officer, Smeshko served as Ukraine’s military attache in the United
States in the 1990s, was promoted to general, then was head of military
intelligence (HUR) from 1997 to 2000. He subsequently served as chief
of the Security Service (SBU), Ukraine’s domestic intelligence agency,
from 2003 to 2005. While Smeshko is a somewhat controversial character,
he remains active in politics and his insights on the current crisis
merit consideration. The interview follows in toto, with my comments
after.
Q: Moscow has annexed Crimea, and Ukrainian troops are to leave the peninsula. How do you feel?
A: I feel enormous humiliation. I have been an officer, first in
the Soviet Army, then in Ukraine’s. Never could I have imagined what’s
going on. Vladimir Putin is making a terrible mistake. In the long term,
the aggression that Russia has committed will catch up with it, and
will perhaps lead to its disintegration. What is more, I do not want to
come out against Russia in general, nor do I want to lump the great
Russian people — Tolstoy, Pushkin, and the others — together with Putin.
Putin has opened Pandora’s Box by breaching the bilateral treaty that
recognized Ukraine’s frontiers in exchange for our giving up nuclear
weapons in 1994. What will Russia do if China decides to protect the
millions of Chinese already living in Siberia by annexing that
territory? As I see it, Moscow is very afraid of a European-style
democracy in Ukraine, which would put ideas into the Russian people’s
heads.
Q: Putin is asserting that Ukraine is a geographical concept, not a nation.
A: Putin understands nothing about Ukraine. When he dared to
claim that Russia won World War II without the Ukrainians, it was a
terrible slap in the face. What about the seven million Ukrainians who
gave their lives? Putin knows nothing about it and surrounds himself
with servile advisers. He is unaware that the Ukrainians are old
Russians, but bred on the freedom of the Zaporozhian Cossacks, who never
submitted to serfdom. He cannot conquer us, but he has wounded us and
has thus fallen afoul of the nation that gave the Tsarist empire its
best troops. I know something about that: We have been soldiers, father
and son, for five generations on my mother’s side. Instead of acting
with the European Union to help the young Ukrainian state become
democratic and prosperous – to build a bridge between Europe and Russia
and make de Gaulle’s fantastic dream of a Europe stretching from the
Atlantic to the Urals come true – Russia’s leadership has conducted
military aggression against the territory of a sovereign state. It is
placing Europe on the verge of a Third World War.
Q: Could the Ukrainian Army hold out in the event Russian troops enter eastern Ukraine?
A: Russia stands no chance of winning a war against Ukraine. To
be sure, Ukraine is weakened by the twenty years it has spent laying the
foundations of its state and by the total corruption of the machinery
of that state. That is why part of the population has risen up against
[ex-President] Viktor Yanukovych’s regime. Of course, we lack
well-equipped divisions for the time being, but Russian ground forces
are not in great shape. Russia has mobilized 150,000 men on our borders,
but it’s not in a position to wage an offensive war against Ukraine or
to occupy our territory. When the USSR fell apart, there was a highly
trained military force of one million men here. Ukraine, for its part,
has 700,000 reservists it can mobilize. Mobilization is under way. My
twenty-one-year old son, who is a reserve lieutenant, has dropped out of
university to sign up. If it persists in its adventure, Russia will
stand no chance against a defense force of partisans.
Q: You say Crimea will remain Ukrainian, but former Georgian President Saakashvili said the same about South Ossetia.
A: We are not Georgia. For instance, part of the Russian nuclear
shield is currently undergoing technical checks in a Ukrainian factory,
Yuzhmash. We have not said to date that we are going to cease all
cooperation, but that might change. Given our scientific expertise, we
could even decide to resume building nuclear weapons.
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