Full interview of David Grusch and his lawyer Charles McCullough (former ICIG) on BBC .
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reddit | (BBC Host) : Officer by the name of
David Grush caused quite a stir last week when he gave evidence at a
Congressional hearing about UFO sightings. He claimed that the US
government has away from the public, glare intact and partially intact
alien vehicles, and you'll hear him repeat that claim in a moment
because he's been speaking to this program. A recent poll found that
about 42% of Americans believe in otherworldly UFO's or UAP's
unexplained anomalous phenomena, and one in ten Americans reported
they'd actually seen one.
Well,
here's what Republican Tennessee Representative Tim Burchett said in
opening last week's remarkable hearing into alien existence.
Rep
Tim Burchett: I think it's time for this country to take back our
country,we need to tell the folks at the Pentagon they work for us, that
government. We don't work for them. We're not bringing little green men
or flying saucers into the hearing,sorry to disappoint. We're just
going to get to the facts. We're going to uncover the cover up and I
hope this is just the beginning of many more hearings and more people
coming forward about this.
(BBC Host) : Well, I've been speaking to David Rush and to his lawyer, Chuck McCulloch.
-Question(BBC Host):First, David, why did he decide to come to come forward and speak at the hearing?
-Answer
(David Grusch) : It boils down to a sense of duty, you know, in an act
of, you know, truth to power. And it seemed like me going public was the
appropriates lever to pull. When it comes to public accountability and
emphasizing the seriousness to, you know, different branches of
U.S.goverment.
-Question(BBC Host)
:the most eyecatching claim that you made during your evidence and and
the one that made the most headlines was the claim that the US
government has, quote intact and partially intact alien vehicles in its
possession. In other words, it has them, but it isn't telling people
about them. Why do you go public with that specifically?
-Answer(David
Grusch) :I found that to be very important for, you know, the public at
large to understand. You know, they're placing the cosmos, their place
in the universe. And that's something, you know, I believe the US
government should be, you know, held accountable for potentially over
classifying or misclassifying basic science.
-Question (BBC Host): But how do you know they have these items?Because you've not seen them yourself, have you?
-Answer(David
Grusch) :There's certain things that I have first hand access to that I
can't publicly discuss at this time. However, myself and other
colleagues interviewed, you know, 40 individuals. Both are current and
former highly distinguished intelligence and military personnel that
were specifically on these programs and those that were willing, I
directed to the intelligence community Inspector General, so the
Inspector General was able to interview these people that do have
direct.First hand information, right.
-Question(BBC Host) :So, So they have that information directly.Have they actually seen these these vehicles?
-Answer(David
Grusch):The individuals I interviewed that I directed to the Inspector
General, yes, they have the first hand experiences, yes, right.
-Question(BBC Host) : Which is an extraordinary claim, as you would readily acknowledge.
Why, if it's true, has the government not acknowledged it?
Yeah, I mean, that's a multifaceted question.
-Answer(David
Grusch) : You know, it goes back, you know, 8090 years ago and this was
first created and they, you know, translated some of the secrecy from
the Manhattan Project onto this subject because, you know, they weren't
sure how ontologically shocking it was going to be to the world
populace.
And then two, as you can
imagine, you know it's a Pandora's Box for, you know, potential
military and weapons development type reverse engineering activities.
So they decided to keep it under wraps for many years.
-Question(BBC
Host) : But we're talking here just about the US government. If they've
got these things hidden away, surely other governments around the world
might have had a similar experience. So the the idea that it's a solely
American thing is surely fanciful.
-Answer(David
Grusch): It does cross into other countries and other other allies to
include the The Five Eyes and Alliance, which is something I've already
stated publicly. The, you know, the media reporting bias and societal
transparency is a little different the US. That's the crux what most
people hear, but it is certainly not an American issue.
-Question(BBC
Host) : I want to put some of the the doubting voices to you in a
moment, but I want to bring Chuck in first. I mean Chuck, as a lawyer
working alongside David, what are the legal implications of what he is
saying and what the government is denying?
-Answer(Charles
McCullough) :Our government relies on congressional oversight, the
checks and balances of congressional oversight. David's allegation at at
its at its base is essentially that Congress does not have access to
the information it needs to properly oversee things going on in the
executive branch. That was his main concern,so he briefed both of the
Intel committees and he's had a 2 hour hearing, two hours of testimony
last week.
-Question(BBC Host) : David, can I go back to you with with some of the the responses that have been aired to what you said?
The
head of the Pentagon's office in this area, Sean Kirkpatrick, issued a
statement last week. You'll be aware of it calling your testimony
insulting and saying that you were a never a representative to his unit.
-Answer(David
Grusch): Dr.Kirkpatrick oversaw our activities and what we were doing
and the money we were spending. I never said I was a part of the core
team, so I believe it was just lost in translation or misconstrued