Slate | S1: Today on the show, will the NBA find its season
reshaped by COVID again? I’m Mary Harris. You’re listening to what next?
Stick around. During the last two seasons, it seemed like the NBA was
handling the pandemic pretty well. The 2020 season got cut short, but it
finished up inside the Disney bubble. The 2021 season had a pretty
stringent testing regimen and pretty much went off without a hitch. But
when negotiations happened over this season, the players union said a
vaccine mandate was unequivocally off the table, even though referees
and other NBA employees had agreed to one. When did you first hear that
vaccination could be an issue with some of the players?
S2:
I didn’t actually hear that it could be an issue, but I figured that it
might cause is an issue for everybody else. Like, there was no reason
for me to expect this particular group of people to be more or less
enlightened than anybody else is on this matter. There are some things
that a union is going to push back on, particularly in an industry like
this one. And in this industry, you have to put this in your body is
something that is never, ever going to be able to fly. It really is a
slippery slope. I think for them in particular, because so much of their
job does involve putting things in your body, you got at least had the
option to say no if you want to do that. And so this is somewhere where
as much as people can talk about the weakness of the National Basketball
Players Association in different negotiations, this is one that they
had to stand on and they stood on it. And I think that the owners
ultimately understood that it was necessary that the players are going
to stand on it because they didn’t try to bring them to the ground,
right?
S1:
Because your body is your livelihood. Right, right. What are the rules
exactly for NBA players at this point? I mean, I recognize it’s
different in different places because of the regional differences. But
what did they eventually agree to after this tense negotiation with the
players union?
S2:
It’s increased testing. If you were not vaccinated, your locker, for
example, has to be. I think it is literally as far as possible away from
the rest of the team if you were not going to be vaccinated. I think
there’s increased masking requirements if you’re not going to be
vaccinated. I mean, they make it sound really inconvenient if there’s
going to be the case now of what’s happened with the travel in the legs.
And this is I actually think people are paying enough attention to
this. So in New York City and in San Francisco, there have been local
ordinances passed that basically you can’t come inside to a large indoor
event. If you have not been vaccinated in New York, it requires one
shot in San Francisco. I believe you have to be fully vaccinated in
order to do that. Now we talk about this strictly in the context of
those two places, but I don’t know why we’re assuming that that won’t be
adopted by other places. If the delta or whatever else starts raging
even more. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if you saw those places
then make the same calls as these other cities have. And then when that
happens, it’s going to be a lot to do is caught flat footed.
S1:
That’s because whatever rules the NBA’s got in place, players are also
going to be bound by the laws of whatever state they happen to be
playing in. For some unvaccinated stars like Kyrie Irving in Brooklyn,
restrictions in their home states mean they could be barred from home
games. Let’s talk about some of the reasons people are giving, because I
think it’s useful to just kind of listen to the players a little bit
here. We’ve got Jonathan Isaac from Orlando Magic. He’s talking about
natural immunity. He’s had COVID and he actually, I listen to this press
conference he gave. He was incredibly clear and straightforward, and he
was very angry at being misrepresented by some journalists he felt in
this process.
S5:
I would just I would start by saying that that I was pretty badly
misrepresented. I’m not anti-vax, I’m not anti medicine, I’m not anti
science.
S1: But he was basically saying, I have the utmost respect for health care workers. I’m not anti-vax, I’m making a choice for me.
S5: With that being said, it is my belief that the vaccine status of every person should be their own choice.
S1: And by the way, I already had COVID, and so I’m protected a little bit. What did you make of that?
S2:
Well, the I already had it unprotected, like that’s that that begs
follow up questions, right? Like how protected are you? When did it
happen? Is not like, this is a it’s not like the chicken pox, right?
You’re not about to be like, I’m good from here on out. Yeah, you can’t
get it twice. Yeah, I mean, Lamar Jackson to tell you that, like, that’s
not really how that one works. I. As someone who has heard Jonathan
Isaac taught before and found him to sound ridiculous, I did not think
that he necessarily sounded ridiculous on this one, even though he is
taking an approach that I do not agree with. Where where I look at him
and I’m like, OK, I get that you’re not worried about you. But this
isn’t just about you. And I think that the the libertarian streak of a
lot of the non the not even anti-vax broadly, but anti this particular
vaccine right here is purely looking at it through the prism of
themselves and not thinking about anybody else, like when we were doing
the super hardcore social distancing thing, when the test was short and
everything else reason was everyone was supposed to assume that they
were an asymptomatic carrier and that to stop the spread is by not
interacting any more than you absolutely had. Two people instead looked
at that is, stay inside so you don’t catch it as opposed to stay inside
so you don’t spread it. So you get guys like him who are only thinking
about this in the context of catching it, not in the context of
transmitting it.