Wednesday, January 30, 2013

chicago: hands-off our guns, handle your ni-nis...,

nytimes | Not a single gun shop can be found in this city because they are outlawed. Handguns were banned in Chicago for decades, too, until 2010, when the United States Supreme Court ruled that was going too far, leading city leaders to settle for restrictions some describe as the closest they could get legally to a ban without a ban. Despite a continuing legal fight, Illinois remains the only state in the nation with no provision to let private citizens carry guns in public.

And yet Chicago, a city with no civilian gun ranges and bans on both assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, finds itself laboring to stem a flood of gun violence that contributed to more than 500 homicides last year and at least 40 killings already in 2013, including a fatal shooting of a 15-year-old girl on Tuesday.
To gun rights advocates, the city provides stark evidence that even some of the toughest restrictions fail to make places safer. “The gun laws in Chicago only restrict the law-abiding citizens and they’ve essentially made the citizens prey,” said Richard A. Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association. To gun control proponents, the struggles here underscore the opposite — a need for strict, uniform national gun laws to eliminate the current patchwork of state and local rules that allow guns to flow into this city from outside. 

“Chicago is like a house with two parents that may try to have good rules and do what they can, but it’s like you’ve got this single house sitting on a whole block where there’s anarchy,” said the Rev. Ira J. Acree, one among a group of pastors here who have marched and gathered signatures for an end to so much shooting. “Chicago is an argument for laws that are statewide or, better yet, national.” 

Chicago’s experience reveals the complications inherent in carrying out local gun laws around the nation. Less restrictive laws in neighboring communities and states not only make guns easy to obtain nearby, but layers of differing laws — local and state — make it difficult to police violations. And though many describe the local and state gun laws here as relatively stringent, penalties for violating them — from jail time to fines — have not proven as severe as they are in some other places, reducing the incentive to comply. 

Lately, the police say they are discovering far more guns on the streets of Chicago than in the nation’s two more populous cities, Los Angeles and New York. They seized 7,400 guns here in crimes or unpermitted uses last year (compared with 3,285 in New York City), and have confiscated 574 guns just since Jan. 1 — 124 of them last week alone.


John Kurman said...

Chicago is not even in the top ten cities for murder and gang violence. New Orleans and Detroit vie for the #1 spot. Many other cities are way ahead of Chicago in gun related deaths and injuries - like Oklahoma City, Memphis, Atlanta, Newark, Philadelphia, Birmingham, Baltimore, Stockton, St. Louis, etc. etc. 85% of all guns used by criminals and gangs are obtained through straw purchases or corrupt (legitimate, licensed) gun owners and dealers.

CNu said...

per capita John, because it's so big. But in terms of sheer numbers, it's number 3 on the CDC's list and number one on the list of cities nationwide in terms of stringency of its gun controls. imoho - this definitely puts the lie to the notion that enhanced surveillance, taxation, and restriction of retail gun transactions is the solution to the problem, and I am opposed to increased federal supervision of gun transactions because I have no illusions concerning the federal motivation for the same.

the banksters operational managers in gubmint don't give a damn about pedestrian gun violence, rather, they're concerned about implementing measures that will make it easier for them to identify peasants milling about with sharpened pitchforks and as yet unlit torches.

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John Kurman said...

Well, you know it goes, the unarmed might (might) fear the armed, but the armed definitely fear the better-armed. (I say *might* because Americans, traditionally, are terrible shots).

John Kurman said...

Oh, and then, perhaps change your generated statistical graphic to the more truthful #3. Thanks.

CNu said...

lol, sorry bout that..., didn't mean to offend you, umbra, or Ed from the Southside, but I was poking away at the Hon.Bro.Prof.CDV with whom I've been waging a lengthy skirmish on the subject of gun control.

Ed Dunn said...

So when alcohol was banned, speakeasy establishments proliferated. When drugs were banned, drug dealers occupied every corner and "urban farmers" and grow houses proliferated. Not surprised that Chicago gun ban did not but result in the proliferation of guns in the city...

The Beat said...

Homicides have fallen in Chicago by about 50% over the past 20 years according to the Chicago Police website. To ignore this fact is to promote the progun addict's claim that gun control leads to more violence

Ed Dunn said...

That declining homicide stat is overall in America. Again, the handgun ban in Chicago was related to the post MLK Black rioting, not for the uptick in crime.

In Chicago, the population were idiots to allow only the criminals to be pro-gun. I call that pulling your pants down and lying on your stomach and look up towards me and try to convince me that you are right...

CNu said...

That declining homicide stat is overall in America

and we now know why that is too

makheru bradley said...

Down, but trending upwards. 970 in 1974; 943 in 1992; 435 in 2011; 506 in 2012

[Here is the tale of violence in Chicago in 2012:

2400 shootings
506 total murders
319 shootings of children
108 murders of youth and children
19% increase in murder rate]
Black Star Project

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