NYTimes | This is the first in a series of
interviews about religion that I will conduct for The Stone. The
interviewee for this installment is Alvin Plantinga, an emeritus
professor of philosophy at the University of Notre Dame, a former
president of both the Society of Christian Philosophers and the American
Philosophical Association, and the author, most recently, of “Where the
Conflict Really Lies: Science, Religion, and Naturalism.”
Gary Gutting: A recent survey by
PhilPapers, the online philosophy index, says that 62 percent of
philosophers are atheists (with another 11 percent “inclined” to the
view). Do you think the philosophical literature provides critiques of
theism strong enough to warrant their views? Or do you think
philosophers’ atheism is due to factors other than rational analysis?
Alvin Plantinga: If 62 percent of
philosophers are atheists, then the proportion of atheists among
philosophers is much greater than (indeed, is nearly twice as great as)
the proportion of atheists among academics generally. (I take atheism to
be the belief that there is no such person as the God of the theistic
religions.) Do philosophers know something here that these other
academics don’t know?
What could it be? Philosophers, as opposed to
other academics, are often professionally concerned with the theistic
arguments — arguments for the existence of God. My guess is that a
considerable majority of philosophers, both believers and unbelievers,
reject these arguments as unsound.
Still, that’s not nearly sufficient for
atheism. In the British newspaper The Independent, the scientist Richard
Dawkins was recently asked the following question: “If you died and
arrived at the gates of heaven, what would you say to God to justify
your lifelong atheism?” His response: “I’d quote Bertrand Russell: ‘Not
enough evidence, God! Not enough evidence!’” But lack of evidence, if
indeed evidence is lacking, is no grounds for atheism. No one thinks
there is good evidence for the proposition that there are an even number
of stars; but also, no one thinks the right conclusion to draw is that
there are an uneven number of stars. The right conclusion would instead
be agnosticism.
In the same way, the failure of the theistic
arguments, if indeed they do fail, might conceivably be good grounds for
agnosticism, but not for atheism. Atheism, like even-star-ism, would
presumably be the sort of belief you can hold rationally only if you
have strong arguments or evidence.
15 comments:
As a philosopher Plantinga knows better than to put forth the arguments that he's giving. Our belief structures are unreliable. How are we wrong about so many things? That doesn't mean materialism is true, it just means we have to question our assumptions. The man has an agenda. He's really talking to a Christian audience. The atheists and many of his colleagues would reasonably laugh him out of the room for his weak assertions.
"It's a horribly unlevel playing field", and the irony is algorithmic trading was originally set up to level the playing field.
http://johnkurman.blogspot.com/2012/02/if-only-hed-used-his-powers-for-good.html
Maybe, but belief in rationality is itself irrational, and atheists themselves are operating under a weakly positive assertion and, like theists, should be laughed at. It's like the old tale of the doctor that treats people with a disfiguring skin condition, only to one day contract it himself, and looking in the mirror, says "But on me, it looks good!"
I think the frontrunning and cheating was actually even a little worse and more flagrant than what you so aptly describe http://subrealism.blogspot.com/2009/07/goldman-sachs-stealing.html - matter fact - I'm sure of it as there was some long ago jockeying for physical proximity to the exchanges.
I wouldn't call it a positive assertion. God's just an idea they find untenable.
Of course it is. Saying something doesn't exist is a positive assertion. The statement "Unicorns don't exist" is still, within a system of logic, a positive assertion, even with that "not" in there.
I know! Why the pitchforks and torches didn't come out is still a rather amazing outcome. Maybe we Americans just don't have the testicular Constitution for it anymore. Maybe we should hire Ukrainians.
Well, with Ukrainians fighting their government (not to mention the long-simmering ethnic fight with the Russians held over from Stalin's genocidal famine) - and Greek neo-nazi's battling it out on the streets of Greece for political centrality, I think it won't be much longer now before the global "monkey-see/monkey-do" virus gets contagious in a big way, at which point all sorts of violent novelty will be liable to erupt.
The question is not whether you know if the big dogs are cheating, but if you have bigger teeth, in the end. If you want to win, you have to kill the king on the throne. It's always the same when the bully wins. When you tell him he's cheating and you tell him to play fair, he always says 'Make me'. So. Might may not make right, but it still takes might. Who's your Leviathan? Buddha?
"...belief in rationality is itself irrational..."
Quite possibly the stupidest thing ever said on the internet, ever.
Now that is a funny question: Are there an even number of stars or an odd number of stars? But the answer changes every time there is a supernova or a new star ignites.
Yeah, atheism is illogical. I decided I was an agnostic at 12.
But even if there is a God that does not mean any particular religion is true. God might think all religions are egotistical delusions run by wackos who think they are smart enough to comprehend God. So atheists are like the theists. They think they are smarter than they actually are. Somewhat lacking in imagination also.
"Coco no like! Coco call stupid!" You want a provide a bit more, or just call it a major success for knuckling that lexigraph to a fruit treat?
Philosophers in general believe in rationality. They just don't believe humans are very good at it.
Frankly, I think the germ of the atheist objection is the primitive cultural and psychological packaging of "God". An emotionally unstable and highly irrational anthropomorphic deity is an easily objectionable target. Substitute Arthur C. Clark's monolith builders, proverbial farmers in the field of stars, and I think most of the modern atheist objections would fall by the wayside.
Umbra.. It's odd but I find that many atheists/agnostics know more about the teachings of religions than the followers of those religions.
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