theanalysis | The Federal Reserve’s job is to make sure that the economy is run for the banking system and for the bond holders, rather than having the banking system and bond markets run for the economy. So we’re living in an upside down economy where everything is being run in order to sustain the bond holders and the banks. And the problem with this is that the mortgage debts, the student loan debts, the personal debts, the car loan debts, they’re growing at an exponentially high rate, while the economy is not growing at a high rate. All of the economy’s growth since 2008 has been only for the top five percent of the population. For 95 percent of the population since 2008, the GDP has actually shrunk. And so you’re having a very sharp polarization right now. So I think if you’re talking about the debt issue, the question is, do you want to sustain this polarization between creditors at the top and the indebted 95 percent or do you want to restore the kind of equality that people think usually is the hallmark of democracy, at least of economic democracy? And the choice by the government is we’re going to sustain the polarization. No matter what, the creditors won’t lose a penny. The debtors will lose.
Paul Jay
OK, so why do you think Biden, and not just Biden, but
that section of finance that they represent, why don’t they want to
forgive student debt?
Michael Hudson
I think partly it’s what you said. It’s the whole
idea that if you admit that you should write down debts when the effect
is to help the economy grow and you write down debts that impair
economic growth, then people would put economic growth over the welfare
of creditors. And that’s revolution. That’s not what our economy is all
about. We put creditors first, not the economy. And the very thought of
putting the welfare of the people first over the creditors in general,
well that’s totalitarianism. That’s a dictatorship. We can’t possibly
have that. So it’s the greed of the creditors and the fact that the
creditors are able to control politics and who gets nominated, et
cetera, enables them to prevent anything that might shock the assumption
that the sanctity of property is really the sanctity of creditors to
evict property owners if they can’t pay. It’s really the sanctity of
debt. And if you talk about the sanctity of debt, it’s the sanctity of
the exponential growth of debt, even when it’s beyond the ability to
pay, even when it pushes the economy into a chronic depression. And in
fact, what we’re suffering now is debt deflation. And the debt deflation
at the bottom, students are experiencing, the unemployed are
experiencing, cities and states are experiencing it. The transportation
systems are running at deficits. All of these deficits are the savings
and the gains and the wealth of the one percent or five percent or
whatever you want to call the banking and creditor class.
Paul Jay
And of course, the irony of banking as a public utility
and the finance sector’s opposition to that is they can’t exist without
government subsidy and bailouts and all the rest. And actually, it kind
of is a public utility, except for the people that owe the banks.
Michael Hudson
It’s an unregulated public utility, because, again,
as Bill Black has explained, there’s been regulatory capture. The
problem in the United States is the creation of the Federal Reserve by
banks. The Federal Reserve was created in 1913 to move to make banking a
private enterprise, not a public utility. And very explicitly to shift
the center of money creation and credit and credit rules away from
Washington, towards Wall Street and Philadelphia and Boston, and to
decentralize it, to get the government out of the credit and debt system
and let the creditors run wild over the economy. That was what they
said the result was. They even removed the secretary of the Treasury
from membership on the Federal Reserve Board at that time. This was a
new class war. And it wasn’t the kind of class war that Marx warned
about. It was a class war of finance against the rest of the economy. It
was a resurgence of the rentier economy, except the rentiers in the
20th century and the 21st century are the creditors and the bankers and
the financial institutions, not the landlords.
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