Thursday, March 19, 2015

chomsky speaks truth - kahneman explains why many notsee it...,


NYTimes |  The neoliberal reaction that set in from the late ‘70s, escalating under Reagan and his successors, hit the poorest and most oppressed sectors of society even more than the large majority, who have suffered relative stagnation or decline while wealth accumulates in very few hands. Reagan’s drug war, deeply racist in conception and execution, initiated a new Jim Crow, Michelle Alexander’s apt term for the revived criminalization of black life, evident in the shocking incarceration rates and the devastating impact on black society.

Reality is of course more complex than any simple recapitulation, but this is, unfortunately, a reasonably accurate first approximation to one of the two founding crimes of American society, alongside of the expulsion or extermination of the indigenous nations and destruction of their complex and rich civilizations.

    ‘Intentional ignorance’ regarding inconvenient truths about the suffering of African- Americans can also be used to frame the genocide of Native Americans.

G.Y.: While Jefferson may have understood the moral turpitude upon which slavery was based, in his “Notes on the State of Virginia,” he says that black people are dull in imagination, inferior in reasoning to whites, and that the male orangutans even prefer black women over their own. These myths, along with the black codes following the civil war, functioned to continue to oppress and police black people. What would you say are the contemporary myths and codes that are enacted to continue to oppress and police black people today?

N.C.: Unfortunately, Jefferson was far from alone. No need to review the shocking racism in otherwise enlightened circles until all too recently. On “contemporary myths and codes,” I would rather defer to the many eloquent voices of those who observe and often experience these bitter residues of a disgraceful past.

Perhaps the most appalling contemporary myth is that none of this happened. The title of Baptist’s book is all too apt, and the aftermath is much too little known and understood.

There is also a common variant of what has sometimes been called “intentional ignorance” of what it is inconvenient to know: “Yes, bad things happened in the past, but let us put all of that behind us and march on to a glorious future, all sharing equally in the rights and opportunities of citizenry.” The appalling statistics of today’s circumstances of African-American life can be confronted by other bitter residues of a shameful past, laments about black cultural inferiority, or worse, forgetting how our wealth and privilege was created in no small part by the centuries of torture and degradation of which we are the beneficiaries and they remain the victims. As for the very partial and hopelessly inadequate compensation that decency would require — that lies somewhere between the memory hole and anathema.

Jefferson, to his credit, at least recognized that the slavery in which he participated was “the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other.” And the Jefferson Memorial in Washington displays his words that “Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep forever.” Words that should stand in our consciousness alongside of John Quincy Adams’s reflections on the parallel founding crime over centuries, the fate of “that hapless race of native Americans, which we are exterminating with such merciless and perfidious cruelty…among the heinous sins of this nation, for which I believe God will one day bring [it] to judgment.”

What matters is our judgment, too long and too deeply suppressed, and the just reaction to it that is as yet barely contemplated.

14 comments:

BigDonOne said...

Q... Why do you suppose Asian-Americans don't have these kinds of troubles...??


A... Tend to obey the law, tend not to shoplift, tend not to attack pieople on the street.
...... They don't storm convenience stores in mobs, steal all can grab and scram.
...... Tend to drive cars that are properly regisered, licensed, and insured.
...... Tend not to have illegal drugs on their person and/or in open view iinside their vehicles.
..... Tend to breed in wedlock and properly raise their kids.
...... Their kids tend not to be discipline problems for the schools.
...... Tend to practice personal responsibility and avoid dependency.
..... Don't stand on the corner selling drugs to anyone who drives up.
..... (you get the idea...)

CNu said...

As your inspiration J. Phillipe Rushton would have observed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Philippe_Rushton#Race_and_intelligence
.......Their teensy-weensy little penises didn't make you feel inadequate as a teenager in the shower after PE, and, same underdevelopment allows them to develop much bigger brains. Don't go try'na leave out the important IQ-160 details Remy.

BigDonOne said...

Well, CNu, if you're having problems in the teensy-weensy department, there is hope for you... http://www.medpagetoday.com/Transplantation/Transplantation/50469?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2015-03-14&utm_content=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DailyHeadlines&utm_source=ST&eun=g116793d0r&userid=116793&email=initech@msn.com&mu_id=5115726

CNu said...

lol, um..., I wasn't aware you had received an "honorary asian-american spokesman" designation? wrt to your assertion, these japanese gestalt objects say different http://www.google.com/search?q=netsuke&biw=1600&bih=764&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=URgLVeiBHI2xafaGgbgE&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=erotic+netsuke

Constructive_Feedback said...

Open mouth gasp

I pray that CNU is not falling for this obvious molestation of proportionality?

Thousands of Police \Black intereractions each day but Ferguson defines the trend?

Thousands of Ninja Who Got Themselves Kilt since 2011 yet we are still talking about Zimmerman

CNU can you honestly say you are preparing the black community to govern themselves us science and empirical data?

Or does the Intellectual STE (space\time distortion ) seemail atractive to you so you "hit it bare back" along with the others?

CNu said...

lol, close your mouth before a bug flies in...,
2. Encountering a police officer who may kill us. ProPublica reports that black males stand a 21 times greater chance of being killed by cops than their white counterparts. What’s more, a 2005 study reveals that police officers are more likely to shoot an unarmed black person than an armed white suspect. Madame Noire created a list of at least 10 armed white men who aggressively brandished weapons or even shot at police yet were taken into custody alive. Black women aren’t treated any better, as this list by Gawker demonstrates. There is a reason black people bristle when a white person says, “#AllLivesMatter” during a #BlackLivesMatter discussion. In the eyes of many police, clearly all lives don’t matter.

Constructive_Feedback said...

Brother CNu: (You know I love you, right?)

When you advocate for "Get In Where You Fit In" (popular progressive sentiment) AT THE EXPENSE OF being regulated by your own analytic, reasoned disposition - it is not YOU who are compromised but the VULNERABLE BLACK PEOPLE whose saga is whited out of the agenda of the "New Jim Crow Crowd" because their cause would tend to show their incompetence in governance.

You showed your Propublica study.

Here is an alternative study showing police histitate shooting Black suspects because they know the heightened social punishment that will come.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2899381/Cops-hesitant-shoot-armed-black-suspects-whites-study-finds.html

PROPORTIONS:
* The number of Black criminal suspects whose image ever appears in a policeman's GUN SIGHT
VERSUS
* The population of INNOCENT BLACK PEOPLE who live in fear within their communities as their cause never percolates up into the national "Social Justice" debate because when she says "I no longer feel safe in this community" - it is not spoken against an agent of terror that is of interest by Propublica or "Think Progress"

CNu said...

CNU can you honestly say you are preparing the black community to govern themselves us science and empirical data?

The propublica is a survey of fact, the dailymail article addresses a hypothetical.

As for the rest, you realize every.single.time you come out doing a lot of twirling and posing - that it's not going to end well, right?

https://youtu.be/7YyBtMxZgQs

ken said...

When are we going to shine light on even a far worse picture of police bias. 96% of the people killed by police are men. That's some serious police statistical bias. If you're a man you are at great risk being around police.

CNu said...

lol, here comes the transition from simple notsee to restive "don't-see". fortunately, it's not possible to unsee...,

ken said...

No, I just think that article you linked to could have had a little better stats than kills per total population. Everybody should know that if there is a population that is committing more than their share of violent crime, chances are they are going to have more encounters and with law enforcement. And being that it is a violent crime being committed it is better than your average person of the population that causing that person to submit to the law enforcers may end violently. So fragmented stats like that are as useless as asking Obama to use the term radical Islam.

CNu said...

Everybody should know that if there is a population that is committing more than their share of violent crime, chances are they are going to have more encounters and with law enforcement.


"Everybody should know" is your specific point of failure. When the mafia was at the peak of its criminal activity, were Italian-Americans a criminal population? When the Irish, the Jews, etc., etc., The problem is that overseers have gotten as soft-headed and arrogant as notsees. Instead of focusing on the 1-2% violent criminal minority of young males, overseers have cast their nets wide to stop and frisk, and zero-tolerate 98% of the total population of black and brown males - purportedly to suppress or get at the tiny violent criminal minority.



That's the legacy of your racist notsee war-on for morons. Once underway, it becomes a revenue generator self-fulfilling enterprise as more and progressively more young males get roped into the just-us system for low-level trifling offenses, which in turn gets them incarcerated and distorted by the hardcore violentized population in prisons, not to mention, disenfrahchised from employment and the vote.



Obama doesn't say Islamic extremists because extremists come in all stripes and use all kinds of mimetic cover. I don't repeat racist conservative tropes about black on black crime for exactly the same reason I wouldn't have called Italian-Americans a criminal race at the height of the goodfellas era.



On the other hand, I still consider it a fact that while all conservatives are not racist, the overwhelming majority of racists are conservative. Today's two Gil-White articles explain very simply why that's so.

ken said...

Hey, your article spouting the stats stinks, can you comprehend that? Even if you are on to something, you end up not getting anywhere spouting stupid articles like the one you linked to. How do we know if the those kills were in the population of the 1 or 2 percent you're talking about? What if law enforcement does what you say and goes wild on the 1 to 2% of the population like you want, won't the numbers still look biased? If we are talking now about 31 per million going after the 1 to 2% will easily look as bad.


Did you notice the Red State article..."I decided to say to myself, let’s assume that everything DOJ says is a lie, and also that everyone who was willing to talk to the DOJ during the course of their investigation either lied or shaded the truth. What remained astounded me.
Even if you read only the parts of the Ferguson DOJ report that come directly from the files of the FPD (which is to say, files that would be most favorable to the Department), the report paints an incredibly damning picture of the Ferguson Police Department."


We all do this to a degree, so from my perspective, trying to find facts that aren't so easily dismissed seems like a worthy effort.

CNu said...

lol@"can I comprehend" - ta loco?

What if's aren't required here Ken. We know for certain that the majority of the black population in Ferguson has warrants out for its arrest http://subrealism.blogspot.com/2015/03/in-hamlet-of-ferguson-nearly-everyone.html exactly like we know that you're no statistician. We know that broken windows and stop and frisk http://subrealism.blogspot.com/search?q=stop+and+frisk are exactly the type of non-specific, racist, and simple-minded tactics that overseers have pursued throughout the morons war-on black men, and that the result of that feeble-minded policy has been criminalization of a race of people.

We know that there are strong economic incentives to pursue these racialized killer-ape policies, and lastly, we know that last remaining apologists supporters of these low-level warfare policies are racist conservatives.

I'm not making any concessions, we're not all in this together. You're on front street as a long-term partisan supporter of a failed and immoral policy that amounts to low-level race-war under color of authority. Now that it's been seen in all its systemic particulars, the truth of your politics and your policies can't be unseen. Deal with it.