Saturday, January 24, 2015

aawww.., lack of game recognize lack of game in the comments section...,



theatlantic |  Last month, an improbable Internet exchange inspired many who noticed it to reconsider what's possible when debating politics online. It began when MIT professor Scott Aaronson published a blog post on a sexual harassment controversy. A predictably heated argument ensued in the comments section. Then, 171 comments into the thread, Aaronson achieved a breakthrough: He posted a reply so personal, vulnerable and powerful that it transformed the character of the conversation. And all sides emerged better able to see one another's humanity.

The comment that begat this small Internet miracle wasn't perfect. Neither were the responses to it–as ever online, some needless cruelty and lack of charity followed.

But Aaronson and his interlocutors did transform an obscure, not-particularly-edifying debate into a broad, widely read conversation that encompassed more earnest, productive, revelatory perspectives than I'd have thought possible. The conversation has already captivated a corner of the Internet, but deserves wider attention, both as a model of public discourse and a window into the human experience. It began with the most personal thing that the professor had ever publicly shared.

25 comments:

Dale Asberry said...

Sometimes good stuff comes out of The Atlantic, but it sure does feel like the mouthpiece for The Cathedral. It's a bullying, mass movement as well. Personifying manli- and womanli-ness is very specific and personal. Groupthink always puts the individual's ideals up against the mob. It is a human cognitive error that has deteriorated into social disease.

Vic78 said...

I thought the cat that wrote that piece(Connor Fiesdorf) was a woman. And I thought the first Atlantic commenter was a woman as well. WTF! Goddamn they suck. I get the impression they can't relate to men. Did it take all that to say that talking about priveledge all the time was bullshit? Maybe priveledge theory is bullshit when it comes to solving a problem?

The commenter's social problems had very easy answers. Get used to being around ladies. Get used to interacting with ladies and find out the world doesn't blow up if she's not interested. In time you'll be able to screen for ladies that want to fuck. How couldn't the therapist figure that out?

Ed Dunn said...

Never heard of "maker" except in the DIY hacking realm but I always thought the term was "productive" as most makers are not productive with what they make

Ed Dunn said...

What an interesting revelation on how these cornballs in the tech industry think when it comes to women in tech.

CNu said...

Blame "higher"-ed and the institutionalized approach to human livestock management implemented therein for the past 30 years for all-a-dat. Definitely an intentional, foundation-sponsored, and point-source definable movement. I personally suffered irreparable damage as a result of conflict with this new institutional world order.

The good news, is, that it has negative survivability on the deck of the Titanic. The bad news is that it has become codified in the politics and consensus-reality social discourse now dominant in the media mainstream. Hollywood and popular music don't submit to its dictates, nor are they required to do so - a most phugging interesting paradox there, no? - but the one factor that mainstream institutions never explicitly take into account is the warrior.

Why it tickles me no end to put molecular biologist virologist Rachel Weisz starring all doe-eyed at genetically-engineered retard uber killer Jeremy Renner like he was Conan the Barbarian, because, A. He is in that movie, and B. That shit right thurr is the reproductive prime directive - against which everything else - is merely conversation....,

CNu said...

3% of these humans are involved in food cultivation, preparation, distribution, and preparation.

17% of these humans are involved in the engineering, design, manufacture, distribution of "artifacts" i.e., the extended human phenotype.

Come clampdown time, even some of these folks will be found to be expendable

80% of these humans (myself included) are glorified clerks. Or as my elder the Hypertiger would put it, "food-powered, make-work, truth-denying drones" whose output is entirely superfluous.

It's this broad hump of the bell-curve 80% who come first to mind in the picture of musical chairs on the deck of the Titanic.

CNu said...

lol, I'ma go with "what a bunch of deluded clerks - not even squaring up on the prime directive"..., hell Ed, the losers on Maury and Jerry at least manage to get their reproductive bodily functions on without all the pathetic signal noise suffered by this continuum of broken machines who'd rather cut themselves of wallow in their own self-pity than do the rudimentary grunt work of trial and error self-sort toward getting laid.

Vic78 said...

Damn, you make 'em sound so pathetic. Lol@ people cutting themselves and crying "I can't get no pussy!" Online. Yes, I tried to read the comments. Shit was rough.

CNu said...

They are pathetic. That the administrative and cultural climate of higher-ed has been recalibrated in service to these pathetic losers, and that in turn, these losers have gone on to move that pathetic cathedralism out into the world occupied by the rest of us medieval muhuggahs - who not only need no such prosthetic assistance - but find it an infringement on our individual sovereignty - is the real rub.

DD said...

True. Enjoyed the strength post. Just got back to it with a vengeance and put bodyweight+ overhead for the first time in months. Deadlift is juuuust shy of #500 right now. The useless middle is busily codifying "worth," since none of us have much of any; better get it slipped into the official rules that we're essential, since we aren't.

Ed Dunn said...

This is going on worldwide - guys cannot figure out how to get some and getting frustrated and resorted to bromance and homey hangouts...spending too much time playing Call of Duty and Madden or Minecraft and scared to talk to a woman. This is not even the effeminate stereotype, these are guys who look like everyday guys but is just pathetic when it comes to courting.

Ed Dunn said...

Over and over again, I keep hearing these guys blame feminists for their lack of females. I don't buy it - if I see someone I like, I'm hollering and stepping too like a man - this is not a feminist issue, this is a manhood issue.

Naive Tom said...

A lot of young people have a serious problem with self-hate. If a teenage boy already feels that way, then he runs into angry ideology, he's all ready to believe whatever they tell him about himself.

CNu said...

Something's up with some of these weak-tea type sheep, and I can't exactly put my finger on it. Personally, I'm not now - nor have I ever been - a pursuer. Women enter my ambit. I find that when I take good care of myself, and my body type is closer to mesomorph than its naturally lazy ectomorph, the number of women who enter my ambit increases exponentially.

But I know what you mean Ed. I know cats lots of cats with no obvious defects who wouldn't know how to recognize when a woman has entered their ambit unless she grabbed them by the hand and smacked them upside the head. and that doesn't really happen women kind of expect you to recognize their signals that the shop's open, ready for binnis, and you're being extended an invitation to patronize.

CNu said...

See, a lot of these young people have been deprived of main course life experiences. I bet I could take a weekly troupe of 30 to salsa dancing lessons downtown and show them how life is lived by folks who were not acculturated to overthink how life is lived. Few things tickle me more than the old cats who show up after the lessons are over, and then put on the masters class in how salsa, samba, merengue, etc..., is done. Young women line up to be led, twirled and masterfully squired around the dance floor by elderly gentlemen who make rhythm,. style, and confidence appear as effortless as they do.

I think the lesson to be taken from all of this is that the culture has accumulated some cerebrally lopsided tendencies that interfere with non-cerebrally rooted organic functions.

Naive Tom said...

I've been told that's teh white/black cultural difference in a nutshell.

CNu said...

You'd have to elaborate just a little before I could undersign without reservation - but human attention and effort will entropically incline toward those channels in which they meet with the minimum of effort and opposition.
http://youtu.be/AfBqBhL6JKU

CNu said...

For those deprived of culture, there's always common-sense.
http://youtu.be/giSCEYmqn_8

Naive Tom said...

I think the idea was that white people overthink, there are benefits, but you forget how to live.

Ed Dunn said...

It look like the leading cause is fear of being accused of harrassment...that one holla back video of 10 hours walking through nyc may have escalated the "cant get some" generation

CNu said...

Begs an interesting kwestin Ed. Did anybody interpret any of what thickie thickbottom was doing walking briskly through the city as a clear indication that the shop's open, ready for binnis, and please step up to the counter?

Ed Dunn said...

I pointed this out earlier but if you watch the video closely, those guys that walked up to ms new booty and spit some game, she started to smile and they tried to edit it...watch the video again...

CNu said...

Even watching it with a magnifying glass, I'm missing that signal. Anyway, because I don't personally believe in walking up to women outside of clearly social contexts, it's outside my wheelhouse. By that same token, I've never taken offense at being approached by any interested party - so I'm hard-pressed to consider it "harassment".

rohan said...

Tom's "white people overthink" and "he's been told that's the difference between black and white culture in a nutshell" is bullshit in the first degree. Western YT culture is its own little special-hell when it comes to misogyny. Of course, that's not what they tell themselves, but then, they tell themselves a whole lot of delusional shit at odds with objective reality and conduct their affairs in strict logical accordance with these same delusions http://agapecoc.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/love-misogyny.pdf

CNu said...

lol, why so hostile magne? He was right as far as he took it. You may be right taking it a bit further. Be that as it may, we all in it, so...., which way do we go from here to fix it?