therealnews | I'm Sharmini Peries coming to you from Baltimore. Larry Wilkerson is a
retired United States Army colonel and former chief of staff to the
U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell. Larry, thank you so much for
joining us today.
LARRY WILKERSON, FMR. CHIEF OF STAFF TO COLIN POWELL: Thanks for having me, Sharmini.
PERIES: Larry, you've been reading a very important book, Skin In the
Game: Poor Kids and Patriots by Gen. Dennis Laich, where he makes a
compelling case that the all-volunteer military force no longer works
in a world defined by terrorism and high debt and widening class
differences. Tell us more about the book and the case he makes in it.
WILKERSON: Gen. Laich, Dennis Laich, is a 30-plus year member of the
United States Army Reserves. Obviously became a general officer, and
now he's written this book. And this book very vividly and very
dramatically illustrates how what the Gates Commission created for
Richard Nixon in 1972-73, the all-volunteer force, is no longer
sustainable. It demonstrates it's not sustainable physically, that is
to say it's not sustainable in dollar terms, and it probably is not
sustainable in terms of the moral impact on the nation.
As we've seen throughout these last 14 years of war, we've had poor
people, essentially, less than 1 percent of the nation, bleeding and
dying and defending the other 99 percent. This is an ethical and moral
position I think that's unsustainable. The fiscal position, though, is
such that if you just do a linear progression of the defense budget and
the cost of people out to about 2025, 2030, you wind up spending almost
the entire Army and Marine Corps budget on people. So it's impossible
to sustain this force. Another indicator is how we've gone from 2.7
percent women in the ranks to over 15 percent women in the ranks
because we can't find enough men. This is not the way to fill out your
military. However equitable and egalitarian you may think it is, it's
not the way to fill out your military. And it's not the way to build a
military that is sustainable over the next few years.
We've come up with a solution, I think, and the solution's rather
unique. It's drafting by lottery into the reserve components. Not into
the active components. Therefore I think deflecting some of the
political criticism and political opposition we'd get, though we don't
hesitate to say this is going to be a difficult task to achieve.
PERIES: And one of the other issues surrounding this question is the
fact that the United States used to have a military, and military that
is equipped to respond in a situation of war if needed. But now we seem
to be in a perpetual state of war where we are constantly financing the
military and arms and the military forces to be able to respond to all
the time. What do you make of that?
WILKERSON: I think you're onto a point that we see as part of this
ethical, moral dimension of this all-volunteer force. It is clear to us
after lots of conversations with military leaders, with civilian
leaders and actual security experts and others, that part of the reason
that the president of the United States feels no real strain or
pressure about going to war and staying at war is the fact that no one
has any skin in the game. When you've got people who are not capable,
really, because of their intellectual capacity or more often their
ability to pay, to be in college or to be in some other more productive
employment than being in the military, then they have to be in the
military.
And that's how we're creating our military these days. We're taking the
1 percent that can't get it anywhere else, by and large, and we're
putting them in the military. And we're putting upon them the burden of
defending this nation. Defending the other 320-some odd million people
in this country who don't have any skin in the game at all. When you
have congressmen with no skin in the game, when you have business
leaders, corporate leaders, others, religious leaders, no skin in the
game, then you have the ability to go to war without any real restraint
on you. And this is in addition to other problems we have, the
military-industrial complex, other forces that are constantly agitating
agitating for conflict, for war. And it makes it just too simple for
the President of the United States to go to war.
PERIES: Larry, if you replace the current volunteer system to address
the class nature of our military with a draft system, how would it
change the nature of the force?
WILKERSON: We put it this way. You don't find the Ivy Leagues in the
Army. You don't find the Ivy Leagues in the Marine Corps. If you do
it's the exception that proves the rule, like Seth Moulton from
Harvard, for example, now a congressman. But there are not many Ivy
Leaguers in the Army or the Marine Corps.
And what's happening in order to recruit those people who are in the
services, especially in the infantry, the Marine Corps and the Army, is
really unconscionable. Let me just point out a few factors here. First
of all, of the 2-2.5 million 18-year-olds that come into the Selective
Service system every year, roughly one-third of them are not
recruitable because they're too fat. They're too obese. Another third
can't pass the ASVAB, which is the basic entrance exam for the armed
forces. So that cuts the pool to a third of that 2-2.5 million every
year.